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Tuesday, 6 June 2006
Dingos join in the Noble Fight against the Cane Toad
Mood:  a-ok
Topic: Frog Blog Profiles
Although I was skeptical at first, I have discussed some of the pros and cons with the trainer, Sarah Fyffe; I believe it is great that she is able to train the dingo to do so many amazing feats. I had posted before about my skepticism, BINGO, is the answer to the Australian Cane Toad problem Dingoes? here are the comments that led up to the current discussions.

Name:

Maybe here in the states, we can train coyotes to find Bullfrogs and Red eared sliders where they've been introduced.

Name: wendellsfrogblog
Home Page: https://wendellsfrogblog.tripod.com/
E-Mail: wzetterberg@hotmail.com

That's a great comparison. I can't even fathom the idea.

Name: Sarah
E-Mail: jazzy03@bigpond.com

Hi, I am the trainer this article refers to. Let me point out a couple of things:
1> A dingo is such because of its DNA - not because it is wild.
2> I hate to inform you, but the humble labrador is capable of killing humans, my dingoes are more trustworthy with children than most "domestics" I know.
3>Domestic breeds are fine; however the dingoes senses of sight, hearing and scent are far superior.
4>I have trained these dingoes to find explosives and it took 1/3 of the time to teach this than is usually takes with domestic breeds - they are unbelievably intelligent and brilliant problem solvers.
5> A feral dog is any dog that has gone wild - not a dingo that is habituated to humans.
Cheers
Sarah

Name: wendellsfrogblog
Home Page: https://wendellsfrogblog.tripod.com/
E-Mail: wzetterberg@hotmail.com

Hello Sarah,
Thanks for your comment. It sounds like you are a very good trainer that has made some extraordinary accomplishments. I apologize for not being very clear with my comments. I do realize the difference between a feral animal and a wild species. I am uncertain of where exactly the dingo fits into that scenario. I was under the impression that the dingo was an introduced species itself, be it a very long time ago, and is possibly the oldest feral species in Australia. I realize that I have nothing in my area to mentally compare with, since the coyote mentioned is a native species. I am curious as to what the dingo does with the toad when it finds it. Is the dingo affected by the toad's poison? Is the dingo trained to grab its hind legs to avoid the parotid gland? I must admit the little I know about canines is from reading; I'm a frog person rather than a dog person. If you would be interested in putting together a summary of what you and your dingoes do, I'd love to post it for my readers to read. It is great that new ideas such as this are being implemented in the fight with the cane toad.
Best Regards,
Wendell

Here is Sarah's reply:

Hi,

Yes the dingo was an introduced species 4,000-5,000 years ago, however it wasn’t just an introduced feral dog - its DNA is completely different to the domestic dog, in fact it is believed that the dingo may be the evolutionary step from wolf to dog, others believe that the dingo is in fact another type of wolf - alot of controversy on this one.

In Australia, the dingo is the top predator - it balances the food chain - similar to the lion in Africa. Where there are pure dingoes there are MORE native wildlife and LESS foxes, feral cats etc.

Anyway, what I’m going to do is train my four pure dingoes to search and alert to the sound and scent cane toads in the field and also in vehicles. They are always on lead when working and when they find a toad they either sit and raise a paw or lay down - they also wear "doggles" to protect their eyes from the poison - just in case.

Actually, it would be possible to do a similar thing with a coyote - it’s just a matter of guiding a natural instinct to hunt.

The main reason I am doing this however is to help the dingo redeem itself, they are on the verge of extinction due to hybridisation and human eradication, however most people (including our government) don’t care as to them they are just baby killers and pests - far from the truth.

Have attached a picture of one of our dingoes "chloe" alerting to gunpowder.

regards
sarah

Your work is very intriguing. I was curious as to what you do with the toads when the dingo finds one. I had read of many ways of euthanizing them form a freezer to hemorrhoid cream. I also wondered about the disposal method. I have read about them being used in fertilizer. A nearby facility called Wolf Park http://www.wolfpark.org/ might be of interest to you. They do much research on wolves as well as red foxes, coyotes and they are currently housing two New Guinea Singing Dogs while a local Zoo is renovating. Would it be all right to resize and use you picture along with your reply on my Blog?

Thank You,

Wendell Zetterberg, Jr.

Hello,
The current method is to freeze them, and yes, there is a company making fertilizer out of them, apparently, it’s brilliant for roses!
No probs about using that pic.
Its a funny angle to take I know, but I feel that if the dingo can prove itself with the cane toad detection then people may begin to change their opinions of them and help us stop the government from forcing them into extinction. Japan did it with their native wolves years ago and now they’re regretting it as the country is overrun with deer, they’re actually now trying to re-introduce wolves to re balance the eco-system.
Heres another nice pic of my two year old with "his" dingoes!

cheers
sarah

We have definitely had our share of similar problems in the states with decimating the wolves and now having problems with deer over foraging, not to mention the damage from auto accidents, and wolf re-introductions get much resistance.

I would like to thank Sarah Fyffe for her spectacular accomplishments in dingo training and her work aiding in the Cane toad wars, as well as her conservation efforts for the dingoes. I'm happy to have been wrong in this case!

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Tuesday, 6 June 2006 - 1:17 PM EDT


I was serious about the coyotes, and with the redears and bullfrogs not being toxic like the cane toad, they could be trained to hunt them rather than just track them. Is it possible to feed wild coyotes bullfrogs and redears to give them the taste so they would maybe include more of them in their diet?

Thursday, 8 June 2006 - 9:04 AM EDT

Name: wendellsfrogblog
Home Page: https://wendellsfrogblog.tripod.com/

I don't know if wild ones diet could be altered like that, but it would be worth checking into. Australia has no native toads, I wonder with the US having similar species to the RES and bullfrog would have problems with natives being hunted as well.
BTW-I resized the pictures to fit netter on my Blog, and the labels are hard to read in the first photo. They are from left to right: PASTA, SUGAR, GUN POWDER, DOG FOOD, and COFFEE. If it were me, I'd have chosen the pasta. I love Italian food!

Monday, 12 June 2006 - 7:46 PM EDT

Name: sarah fyffe

In theory the idea sounds great, however wendell's correct, they would end up including other similar native frogs prey in their diet, thus creating more of a problem than a solution.

Monday, 12 June 2006 - 7:51 PM EDT

Name: sarah fyffe

Welcome new baby!
Hi all, we are pleased to announce our new baby girl joining the training program - a 5 week old black and tan dingo. Problem is we cant come up with a name for her - any ideas?

Tuesday, 13 June 2006 - 2:39 PM EDT

Name: wendellsfrogblog
Home Page: https://wendellsfrogblog.tripod.com/

One of my kids suggested Canis Trackus. If you'd like, send me a picture and I can do a new post abouyt her and see if there are any ideas that way. It seems I don't get many responses from posts that are more than a couple of days old. I have read about "Nifty" the shepard, are you funded from the same allotment, or is it completely different?

Sunday, 25 July 2010 - 3:18 PM EDT

Name: "Larry Daley"

Sarah and Wendell:

 

I would like permission to use your Carolina dingo photograph in my book in progress "Love and War in Cuba" which deals with my memories of Cuba of quite some time ago.  

 

Larry Daley 

 Here is an excerpt:

"In this still night in these foothills of the Sierra Maestra, the barking of domestic dogs and the crowing of roosters can be heard for miles. 

Deeper into the Sierra Maestra, but not here, other dogs, wild dogs can be heard.  These beasts dogs are not the little, fat-bellied, oversexed sato alco, the hamaca warming chihuahua-like dogs of the Taíno.[i]  These perros jíbaro, these Cuban wolves, or Cuban dingoes, do not bark, not even in captivity; however they do have the most musical howl. They have lived in Cuba for millennia[ii] and most probably came in the canoes of the first inhabitants of the island, then escaped to run wild.[iii] 

The jíbaro dogs, far larger than the domesticated sato alcos, howl their indigenous name “aón!”[iv]   I had heard them in Los Números when the forest cover was more complete; as a child I have even played with a tamed wild dog at the Casa de Los Generales,[v] as did cousin MJ,[vi] but here tonight, at our hidden camp above el Sordo, as much as my ears strain, I cannot hear, even faintly, that unforgettable prehistoric howl:

 AAAóóóóónnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!

Cuba was settled many times thousands upon thousands of years before Columbus.[vii]  And long ago for at least a thousand years, humans survived in the presence of the giant ground sloth.[viii] [ix] Ground sloth bones are found in many caves in Cuba, even near a place where now over a century ago great Cuban heroe Antonio Maceo fought and died and where my grandfather once wandered warring against the Spanish with forces of the Mambí warriors of independence.[x]  There in the endless caves of Cuba amid the muck of the mabuya bats, lie the millennia layers of bones of men, and sloths together and in the middens dogs;[xi] their stories as yet unwritten, their mysteries as yet unsolved.

These larger dingo-like[xii] aón jíbaros, as those of the Carolinas,[xiii] are believed descended from those left by ancient mammoth hunters,[xiv] [xv] who came here to Cuba long before the Taínos.  Then so it is believed, as I still do, they, over time, destroyed the last of giant ground sloths. 



[i] (i) Hernández Aquino, Luis. 1993. Diccionario de voces indígenas de Puerto Rico. Tercera edición, Editorial Cultural.  Esmaco, Hato Rey, Puerto Rico. (ii)

[ii] Aguayo, Carlos Aguero 1950 Bosquejo Histórico de la Zoología Cubana. Boletín de Historia Natural de la Sociedad “Felipe Poey” 1 (1 August), 3-29. Page 5 “Entre los animales que mas llamaron la atención de los españoles al llegar a nuestra isla, fueron los nombrados perros mudos, cuya identificación ha sido objeto de discrepancias por diversos naturalistas e historiadores. Felipe Poey sostuvo que no era un verdadero perro, sino el Oso lavandero o Mapache (Procyon lotor); pero el estudio de los restos por los colonizadores, así como el conocimiento de los demás mamíferos antillanos, hace difícil concebir que los españoles confundieran el llamado perro mudo, con ningún otro los demás mamíferos que habitaron las antillas en la época de descubrimiento. Han abundado en dicha opinión C.(arlos) del la Torre, G. S. Miller y el que suscribe.”

[iii] Brisbin Jr., I.L., and T.S. Risch. 1997. Primitive dogs, their ecology and behavior: Unique opportunities to study the early development of the human-canine bond. Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 210(April 15), 1122

[iv] (i) Zayas y Alfonso, Alfredo 1914. “Lexografía Antillana” El Siglo XX Press, Havana. “En la lengua de los indios quiere decir perro.” de las Casas, (Bartolomé) Vol. II, page 165.  And then Zayas goes on, apparently contrary to modern scholarship (see. Ugarriza 1993; Schwartz, 1997), denying the existence of pre-Columbian dogs in Cuba. (ii) Schwartz, Marion 1997. "A History of Dogs in the Early Americas." Yale University Press, New Haven pp. 76-78. (iii) Ugarriza, 1993  Oscar personal communication on surviving Taíno words “aon little dogs.” Oscar is from Camagüey, Cuba descent of Tanima of Sagua and Vasco de Porcalla. (iv) de las Casas, Bartolomé (1875 edition) Historia de las Indias Volume 2, Imprenta de Miguel Ginesta Madrid- Page 165 “Aquel Rey é señor de las dichas sierras y tierra hasta la dicha mar, tenia por nombre Mayobanex, por otro nombre le llamaban los españoles el Cabron, no sé otra causa, sino por escarnio, como solian poner nombres, à los señores, vituperiosos como los hallaron desnudos; segun que yo cognoscí hombre español, que al Cacique y señor con quien él pudiera vivir por mozo de espuelas llamaba Aon, que en la lengua de los indios quiere decir perro. …”

[v] Daley, L 1948-1998, 2006  communication to friends In the rainforest of the Sierra Maestra I remember the howls of the wild dogs.  One was captured and kept at the batey of "Tío Ming" in Guamá and we had another one at the Casa de los Generales in Entre Rios.   He, the jíbaro dog was a black silent beast.  He had saved my life driving off a little rabid sato dog, as I (still a child) dug for worms for fishing.  This action cost his life for stricken with the disease and unvaccinated he had to be shot.   These wild dogs were about the size of a small German shepherd, often black and smooth haired. They look like dingoes and do not bark but howl instead.  If what a zoologist told me is true, these were the dogs brought over by the Mammoth hunters, perhaps Ceboruco or Guanacabeyes, who preceded the Taínos in the islands of the Caribbean.   Thus I was glad to see read the Marion Schwartz book "A history of Dogs in the Early Americas, Yale University Press New Haven and London (ISBN 0-300-07519-7 paper, and 0-300-06964-2 cloth bound) since it is a source of some interesting material on pre-colonial Taíno animals. On page 76 for instance it talks about the two kinds of dogs, the more well known small dogs and the larger ones.  The smaller were sometimes eaten and the larger used for hunting jutías (Hutias). Unfortunately the author is under the misconception that jutías are extinct.   The book, I have the paperback edition, which has a beautiful cover and illustrations.  Larry

[vi] Norman, MJ, 1999 personal communication 2. E-mail from MJ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "MANNY NORMAN, SR. SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER" NORMAN_MANNY@ONLINE.EMICH.EDU  To: daleyl@peak.org Subject: Re: A history of Dogs in the Early Americas Do you remember Superfino, my dog, who was half wild dog and part sausage dog?  He followed me all over the mountains. MJ

[vii] Fitzpatrick, Scott M. and William F. Keegan 2007 Human impacts and adaptations in the Caribbean Islands: an historical ecology approach. Earth and Environmental Science Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh 98, 29-45 “ABSTRACT Archaeological investigations demonstrate that peoples first settled the Caribbean islands approximately 6000–7000 years ago. At least four major, and multiple minor, migrations took place over the next millennia by peoples from Mesoamerica and South America who practised various subsistence strategies and had different levels of technology. …”

[viii] Morey, Darcy 2010 Dogs: Domestication and the Development of a Social Bond. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, Melbourne etc. ISBN-13 9780521760065 Page 3 “ … Ground sloths on Caribbean islands, however, seem to have coexisted with humans for at least 1,000 (24) and possibly several thousand years (25), indicating that, even on islands, the process of rendering a species extinct was often prolonged. …” Page 105 “… played a role in the extinction of North American megafauna…”

[ix] Macphee, R. D. E.,  M. A. Iturralde-Vinent, and Osvaldo Jiménez Vázquez (2007) Prehistoric sloth extinctions in Cuba: Implications of a new ‘‘last’’ appearance date. Caribb J Sci 43:94–98. “ABSTRACT.—We report the youngest radiocarbon determination so far for an identified species of Antillean sloth, 4190 ± 40 yr BP, based on a molariform of Megalocnus rodens from the locality of Solapa de Silex,  Lomas de Cacahual, prov. La Habana, Cuba. Together with other recently reported age estimates, the evidence is now secure that at least some Antillean sloth species survived until ca. 4200 yr BP, or approximately 1000 yr later than the first plausible evidence for the presence of humans in the Greater Antilles. The survival of relatively large terrestrial mammals for such a lengthy period after the arrival of Homo sapiens indicates that insular extinctions in the Late Quaternary did not always occur in a “blitzkrieg” manner.” See also Macphee, R.D.E., Jennifer L. White, and Charles A. Woods 2000 New Megalonychid Sloths (Phyllophaga, Xenarthra) from the Quaternary of Hispaniola American Museum Novitates (3303) 1–32. http://0-www.bioone.org.oasis.oregonstate.edu/bioone/?request=get-document&issn=0003-0082&volume=303&issue=01&page=0001&StartMuseCookie=IIIV925097525%3D%22141-vge%22%3B+path%3D%2F

[x] Macphee, R. D. E.,  M. A. Iturralde-Vinent, and Osvaldo Jiménez Vázquez (2007) Prehistoric sloth extinctions in Cuba: Implications of a new ‘‘last’’ appearance date. Caribb J Sci 43:94–98. “ABSTRACT.—We report the youngest radiocarbon determination so far for an identified species of Antillean sloth, 4190 ± 40 yr BP, based on a molariform of Megalocnus rodens from the locality of Solapa de Silex,  Lomas de Cacahual, prov. La Habana, Cuba. …”

[xi] Aguayo, Carlos Aguero 1950 Observaciones sobre algunos mamíferos cubanos extinguidos Boletín de Historia Natural de la Sociedad “Felipe Poey” 1(3 November 1950) Pages 121-134 Page 129 citing Miller writes “En general los huesos de los perezosos estaban asociados con los restos humanos de la misma manera que los huesos de los roedores Isolobondon y Plagidontia (Jutías), que se conocen positivamente como contemporáneos del hombre.” On pages 132-133 the author speculates on the remains of dogs found associated with indigenous traces, wondering if they are the “perros mudos” (dogs that do not bark) reported by the first Spaniards arriving in the Caribbean). 

[xii] Gunnell, Jane Rittenhouse Carolina Dogs, The American Dingos Perfect Dogs: Remnants from Ages Past, My Canid Odyssey 262 Eastgate Drive #342 Aiken, SC 29803  http://www.carolinadogs.org/bookinfo.html
http://gator.biol.sc.edu/dogpage/index.html

[xiii] Gunnell, Jane Rittenhouse Carolina Dogs, The American Dingos Perfect Dogs: Remnants from Ages Past, My Canid Odyssey 262 Eastgate Drive #342 Aiken, SC 29803  http://www.carolinadogs.org/bookinfo.html

http://gator.biol.sc.edu/dogpage/index.html

[xiv] Morey, Darcy 2010 Dogs: Domestication and the Development of a Social Bond.  Cambridge University Press,  New York, ISBN: 9780521760065 0521760062 9780521757430 0521757436  Page 103 “ Pleistocene Extinctions: Did Dogs have an impact? In and unusual piece, Fiedel (2005) has argued that dogs may well have played a conspicuous role in the well known extinction of of late Pleistocene animals in North America. …”   A parallel, albeit later role would correspond to the extinction of the ground sloth in Cuba.. Steadman, David W , Paul S. Martin‡ Ross D. E. MacPhee, A. J. T. Jull, H. Gregory McDonald, Charles A. Woods, Manuel Iturralde-Vinent, and Gregory W. L. Hodgins 2005 Asynchronous extinction of late Quaternary sloths on continents and islands, PNAS August 16, 2005 vol. 102 (33) 11763-11768 http://www.pnas.org/content/102/33/11763.abstract “Radiocarbon dates directly on dung, bones, or other tissue of extinct sloths place their “last appearance” datum at ≈11,000 radiocarbon years before present (yr BP) or slightly less in North America, ≈10,500 yr BP in South America, and ≈4,400 yr BP (this paper dates extinctions on the islands at a far earlier data than most other authors L.D.) on West Indian islands. This asynchronous situation is not compatible with glacial–interglacial climate change forcing these extinctions, especially given the great elevational, latitudinal, and longitudinal variation of the sloth-bearing continental sites. Instead, the chronology of last appearance of extinct sloths, whether on continents or islands, more closely tracks the first arrival of people.

[xv] Evidence for this--although very incomplete--seems highly credible, if one considers the similarity between Carolina Dog or American Dingo (Carolina Dog information accessed 6-3-10) http://www.greatdogsite.com/breeds/details/Carolina_Dog/) and the probability of pre-Columbian travel between present day U.S. and Cuba (e.g. Seidemann, Ryan M. 2001. The Bahamian Problem in Florida Archaeology: Oceanographic Perspectives on the Issue of Pre-Columbian Contact. The Florida Anthropologist, 54(1):4-23),  In general: “According to fossil evidence, the primitive dogs of the Americas

were also morphologically very similar to dingoes and they probably arrived there together with people via the Bering Strait (Olsen and Olsen 1977). The Carolina dog is the remaining descendent of the early

Amerindian canids (Brisbin 1989)” Fleming, Peter, Laurie Corbett, Robert Harden and Peter Thomson 3001 Managing the Impacts of Dingoes and Other Wild Dogs. Bureau of Rural Sciences Commonwealth of Australia. ISBN 0642704945 http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/1504111/dingoes-and-dogs.pdf

 

 

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